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Vizio Unveils 2018 E-Series, M-Series and P-Series 4K HDR Smart TVs

Vizio has charted it own path to success, emerging from the TV aisle at wholesale clubs to establish a cachet as an affordable way to get premium picture quality. It was the first major TV brand to adopt Dolby Vision and also the first to drop out of CES and instead unveil its products on its own terms at a press even in New York City. Today the company introduces its 2018 lineup of E-series, M-series, and P-series TVs, including the new P-series Quantum flagship.

Here's a video demo of how the FALD array works in each series:


Here's an overview of the 2018 E, M, P and P-Quantum Series TVs by Carlos Angulo - Senior Product Marketing Manager at Vizio. He provides a good outline of the differences in the models.


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In this video demo, Vizio compares the 2018 65" P-Series Quantum to a 2017 LG OLED:


Click this link to read the homepage post: Vizio 2018 4K HDR TVs with SmartCast Announced
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The embargo lifts at 8 am and I'll post some details at that time. Headed to NYC today to cover the unveiling in person and to take a look at these new TVs.

I'm willing to leak one thing... there's the regular P-series and now there's a P-series Quantum.
The summer release on the P sucks

That and no pricing details
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The embargo lifts at 8 am and I'll post some details at that time. Headed to NYC today to cover the unveiling in person and to take a look at these new TVs.

I'm willing to leak one thing... there's the regular P-series and now there's a P-series Quantum.
Your leak was preempted by Vizio on there website last night.

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I can only assume, Vizio FALD algorithm has gotten considerably better, with just 200 dimming zones. I say this, because Shoman94 counted 146 zones for his P75.

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Your leak was preempted by Vizio on there website last night.

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I can only assume, Vizio FALD algorithm has gotten considerably better, with just 200 dimming zones. I say this, because Shoman94 counted 146 zones for his P75.

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ROFL, I just sent a "nice" email to my Vizio contacts asking why I got an email with an embargo time of 8 am today on it if that's the case. Thank you for that.

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Mark, my parents need a new set so I'm between an M55 and the new TCL 6. Any idea if and how the new M is improved over the 2017 model? Thanks
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I can't ascertain specifics from the press release, but I'll be talking with folks from Vizio in person in just a few hours so I'll speak to that when I know more and have seen demos.
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I can't ascertain specifics from the press release, but I'll be talking with folks from Vizio in person in just a few hours so I'll speak to that when I know more and have seen demos.
Really appreciate it. I'll be checking in here throughout the day. Have fun!
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It looks like the new P series is also out for the same price as the 2017.... that i may be willing to go for
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Vizio has charted it own path to success, emerging from the TV aisle at wholesale clubs to establish a cachet as an affordable way to get premium picture quality. It was the first major TV brand to adopt Dolby Vision and also the first to drop out of CES and instead unveil its products on its own terms at a press even in New York City. Today the company introduces its 2018 lineup of E-series, M-series, and P-series TVs, including the new P-series Quantum flagship.

Info is already available on Vizio.com and today I'm headed to NYC to take a look at these TVs in person in just a few hours. If you have any questions for Vizio, now's the time to leave 'em in a comment because my appointment is a 1 pm Eastern time.

OK, on to the TVs...
Are the new Vizio P-Series compatible with VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR (i.e. VP9 Profile 2)?

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Are the new Vizio P-Series compatible with VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR (i.e. VP9 Profile 2)?

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Mark, please ask about VP9/2 YouTube and Google Play HDR support. And also ask if the 2018s support 60Hz Dolby Vision (the 2016/17 P-Series is limited to 30Hz DV, but can do 60Hz HDR10).
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I am curious about any changes to the upscaling engine and if the processor has been improved. If you can ask about those Mark I'd appreciated it.
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Looks like this is current breakdown of the P Series specs and prices on the Vizio Site.

P Series

55" - $899, 56 FALD zones, 1000 nits of peak brightness, 120hz panel.

65" - $1,299, 100 FALD zones, 1000 nits of peak brightness, 120hz panel.

75" - $2,499, 120 FALD zones, 1000 nits peak brightness, 120hz panel.

P Series Quantum

65" - $2,199(as reported by CNET, The Verge, and other tech sites-no price from Vizio yet), Quantum Dots, 192 FALD zones, 2000 nits peak brightness, 120hz panel.

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What's the deal with the pq? Some reports say available now, some say summer. If it really is summer do we have an idea if that means end of June or end of September?
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Looks like this is current breakdown of the P Series specs and prices on the Vizio Site.

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55" - $899, 56 FALD zones, 1000 nits of peak brightness, 120hz panel.

65" - $1,299, 100 FALD zones, 1000 nits of peak brightness, 120hz panel.

75" - $2,499, 120 FALD zones, 1000 nits peak brightness, 120hz panel.

P Series Quantum

65" - $2,199(as reported by CNET, The Verge, and other tech sites-no price from Vizio yet), Quantum Dots, 192 FALD zones, 2000 nits peak brightness, 120hz panel.

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Day 1 and the 2018 P65 is already on sale for $500 off. I wasn't expecting that. Certainly means that when I'm buying this fall/holiday the P will be well within budget.
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Nothing over 75" and no mention of VRR, so nothing interesting for me. Assuming the E-series is still a low-end 8-bit panel lacking true HDR.

P Series Quantum might be interesting for those looking for a 65" set.

Looks like the days of Vizio leading the way are over.
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Which VP9?

VP9.1: no YouTube HDR
VP9.2: YouTube HDR
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The 2016/17 P-Series supports VP9 profile 1, meaning it can only do UHD SDR up to 30Hz. They don't mention if the 2018s support VP9 profile 2 which is required for UHD HDR up to 60Hz.
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Vizios dimming system being "great" is actually the greatest myth to ever be on AVS. Vizios been cheating the system for years by dropping its highlights to under 200 nits to give the appearance of better blacks and uniformity. (against disc Metadata and against director intent as well). I wonder if they continue this shady practice or do it the right way?

What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones? Maybe it'll be "just good enough"?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
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Vizios dimming system being "great" is actually the greatest myth to ever be on AVS. Vizios been cheating the system for years by dropping its highlights to under 200 nits to give the appearance of better blacks and uniformity. (against disc Metadata and against director intent as well). I wonder if they continue this shady practice or do it the right way?

What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones? Maybe it'll be "just good enough"?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
Definitely am interested in how these handle FALD dimming and HDR highlights.
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Vizios dimming system being "great" is actually the greatest myth to ever be on AVS. Vizios been cheating the system for years by dropping its highlights to under 200 nits to give the appearance of better blacks and uniformity. (against disc Metadata and against director intent as well). I wonder if they continue this shady practice or do it the right way?

What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones? Maybe it'll be "just good enough"?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
I think you may want to read your post, and think about edge lit displays hitting 1500 nits.

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Vizios dimming system being "great" is actually the greatest myth to ever be on AVS. Vizios been cheating the system for years by dropping its highlights to under 200 nits to give the appearance of better blacks and uniformity. (against disc Metadata and against director intent as well). I wonder if they continue this shady practice or do it the right way?

What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones? Maybe it'll be "just good enough"?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
They don't drop the nits that low. Did you own a 2016/2017 P-Series? While they don't increase in Nits in HDR I can assure you it isn't shady, its just how they decided to do it. Do you own a 2017 M-Series? The M doesn't "DIM" My M50 hits 800+ nits and does very well with 32 zones.

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Vizios dimming system being "great" is actually the greatest myth to ever be on AVS. Vizios been cheating the system for years by dropping its highlights to under 200 nits to give the appearance of better blacks and uniformity. (against disc Metadata and against director intent as well). I wonder if they continue this shady practice or do it the right way?

What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
I'm confused....??...If the blacks and black uniformity, visually to the eye look uniform and deep, then how is that "cheating" the system? So because they use an alternative method that results in better black reproduction they are somehow cheating??! When running technical tests, the contrast levels on sets like the 2016/17 P, had readings of 4600:1 (without local dimming) and 9200:1(with local dimming active) -which is better than the Sony Z9D - this is somehow a negative?? Hell the 17 Mseries would hit around 700nits.

They've managed to implement a system that addresses blooming and other issues better than most other manufacturers, so I don't quite see what your gripe is. Isn't the actual goal to provide an image that is pleasing? If the blacks look black, inky....isn't that kind of the point? Is LG and Sony cheating with their OLED's by simply turning pixels off?

I would think having the tech in place to produce upto 2000nit windows is going to only make the blacks on the Vizio look that much better using their methods.
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What makes anyone think they can pull off 2000 nits on 192 zones when they couldn't even do proper highlights at 500 nits with 128 zones? Maybe it'll be "just good enough"?

Might be a good question for Mark to ask vizio if they've changed their approach to this.
Well their previous brightness figures were based on full screen brightness not peak window brightness. Now that they are touting 2,000 nits - I'd assume they've changed their approach as there's no way in hell they're getting full screen 2,000 nit.
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Well their previous brightness figures were based on full screen brightness not peak window brightness. Now that they are touting 2,000 nits - I'd assume they've changed their approach as there's no way in hell they're getting full screen 2,000 nit.
As long as the display can hit between 600-700 nits on a 25% window, at $2199.99 that's some real value. Once more details are given on the FALD system, and they're improved, talk about shaking up the market.

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OK, on to the TVs...
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I can only assume, Vizio FALD algorithm has gotten considerably better, with just 200 dimming zones. I say this, because Shoman94 counted 146 zones for his P75.

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I wonder what the percentage of the color gamut it’ll cover given their top model has Quantum Dots? Last year’s M-Series was somewhere in the high 80s % of the DCI P3 Gamut. And their P-series barely passed 90% of it. Maybe with this model it’ll actually reach 100% or close to it (~97%) and have better color volume as well?

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Which VP9?

VP9.1: no YouTube HDR
VP9.2: YouTube HDR
No clue! Maybe they'll update the specs page with more details.
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I was looking forward to this TV but they lost a sale due to their legs. Having legs that far apart makes it really hard to fit on alot of TV stands.
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